Obama VP List

MSNBC's First Read has the scoop on the potential VP names floated by Obama's team on Capitol Hill:

Hillary Clinton
John Kerry
John Edwards
Evan Bayh
Kathleen Sebelius
Ted Strickland
Mark Warner
Tim Kaine
Jim Webb
Bill Nelson
Jack Reed
Joe Biden
Chris Dodd
Tom Daschle
Sam Nunn
James Jones

My first thought was, outside of Jones (the article above has more on him) that pretty much sums up the conventional wisdom in terms of VP picks. And, John Kerry, really? Still, it's encouraging to see Warner (who would be my pick) on the list.



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Re: Obama VP List (1.75 / 4)

WHAT!?!?!?

No Mike Gravel ????


Mooseburgers? Careful Sarah. Moose bite back!
by spacemanspiff on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:05:11 PM EST

Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

Haha.


by broncoelway on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:10:00 PM EST
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It's gotta be a mistake. (2.00 / 2)

No one in his/her right mind would leave Gravel off the VP list. Clearly, this is an unfortunate misprint. I'm sure McCain, Barr, and Nader will all be trying to recruit him, so Obama better snag him while he can.

If Obama puts Gravel on the ticket, McCain won't just lose the GE by a landslide -- he'll be crushed in the Gravelanch!


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:11:31 PM EST
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Re: It's gotta be a mistake. (1.66 / 3)

Gravelanche! LMAO!!!!


Mooseburgers? Careful Sarah. Moose bite back!
by spacemanspiff on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:19:28 PM EST
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Re: It's gotta be a mistake. (2.00 / 1)

Well, considering the pronunciation, I think I'm more in favor of a Gravellion! Fight the power!


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:07:59 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

Gravelanch!!!!!


by Why Not on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 08:14:12 PM EST
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According to OpenLeft (2.00 / 1)

Patty Murray should be on that list


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:05:54 PM EST

Re: No! (none / 0)

I like Patty Murray a lot.  She's a Senator who has cast some gutsy votes over the years (i.e., against the Iraq War, against capital punishment, against the welfare "reform" bill).  But she also has the distinct honor of making the Senate "Dimmest Bulb" every year in the Washingtonian Magazine.  She's not known for handling complicated issues, and would be mocked as the Democratic Dan Quayle (as would Bill Nelson).

Maria Cantwell or Chris Gregoire are much better choices -- albeit less liberal ones than Murray.


by Brad G on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:20:21 PM EST
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Re: No! (none / 0)

Funny thing is I suspect she's going to make whip or even leader one of these days.

While she's not a wonk like Cantwell she's not dumb by any stretch and she knows her politics well.


by ces on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:50:28 PM EST
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Re: According to OpenLeft (none / 0)

Patty is great, but I don't know if she is strong enough of a personality to go toe to toe if McCain picks Romney?

I dislike Evan Bayh, but he seems to be getting play?  

Much prefer Mark Warner, if we are going moderate Governor?  

I just love Joe Biden, though I hate he is the senator from Mastercard, and how strong he was behind that abomination of a bankrupcy bill.

I think, what is strong is this list is, people Obama feels he can work with, very Sympatico?

I think, the question is, would Hillary be on that Sympatico list if not for the clamor for her to be VP?  

Fun to watch this play out...


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:24:34 PM EST
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Re: According to OpenLeft (none / 0)

Patty is great, but I don't know if she is strong enough of a personality to go toe to toe if McCain picks Romney?

She's pretty good when she's on fire. See some of her speeches from the Senate floor, or her rebuttal to that Nethercutt smear ad.

But then again I would rather she keep climbing the Senate leadership ladder than see her as VP.


by ces on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:53:47 PM EST
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Re: According to OpenLeft (none / 0)

I have seen her a lot, I stop in when I get to DC and visit both Her, Maria and McDermott (my rep.)

Don't misread me, I am a BIG Patty Murray fan, much prefer her to Maria actually.  

But, I agree, you said it better then I: She is climbing the seniority ladder, and she is SOOOOOOO locked in, I think the Republics would be better off just saying "no contest" then spending a dime running against her in WA state.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:59:10 PM EST
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Re: According to OpenLeft (none / 0)

Hillary would be on the list withtout any clamour. You have at least pretend to be considering your nearest rival, when that rival got 18 million votes and won a bunch of primaries. Whether she's  just on there for show, who knows? But I think she would be on the list regardless of any push for her.


by Mayor McCheese on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:57:14 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

First Read also said the names with most discussion are: Strickland, Jones & Biden.


by Cheebs on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:06:38 PM EST

Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

Five bucks says Joe Biden will will be either Sec. State or Sec. Def, in an Obama Administration.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:16:58 PM EST
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Daschle... (2.00 / 1)

He really delivered in South Dakota.


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:11:32 PM EST

Re: Obama barely campaigned there. (none / 0)

Hillary Clinton schlept there.  The race was over at that point.


by Brad G on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:21:25 PM EST
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Re: Obama barely campaigned there. (none / 0)

Maybe so, but i doubt Daschel could deliever SD in any case. He coudln't even get himself reelected and now he's further removed from the scene. Please no Daschle!


by Mayor McCheese on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:58:22 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (2.00 / 3)

Does the leaking of this list essentially mean we can cross these folks off the actual list?  


by HSTruman on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:13:11 PM EST

Re: Obama VP List (2.00 / 1)

heh.

You might be on to something there.  :)


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:18:30 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (2.00 / 1)

I got to think there are more Ret Military than just Jones.  I would be SHocked if Clark hasn't been discussed.  Unless...

I'm a little surprised at how fast Hillary moved to support Obama and today encouraging her delegates to vote Obama.  I wonder if during the meeting they had, it came out neither wanted her as VP, but she was interested in 2016 running for the Presidency... maybe they cut a deal that has him picking someone with little Presidential Ambitions or someone who has little chance of getting selected as the nominee in 8 years (Strickland is going to be 67 when Obama is sworn in, Biden will be 66... both would be 74 and 75 running for President in 8 years, which means they will have a very tough time) or someone who doesn't have those Ambitions (Don't know if Jones has those ambitions but will be 65 when Obama is sworn in, again having age as a handicap in running for office given McCain at 72 is the oldest candidate ever).  Given that hillary is 6 years younger than the YOUNGEST of the three, she would have a great shot in 2016 if she wants it.  So maybe that's the deal...  I always thought Bush and McCain made a similiar deal with Cheney.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:50:50 PM EST
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Usually. (none / 0)

I'm guessing Nelson and Strickland are the only possibilities on the list.  But my gut tells me Rendell.


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:22:04 PM EST
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Re: Usually. (none / 0)

Nelson's a dud. I like the guy (despite his maddeningly moderate voting record), but he's not beloved by Floridians and probably couldn't carry the state. If he's going to pick a Floridian, it really should be Bob Graham. I hadn't even thought of him in a while, until someone else here mentioned him.

Of course, that's also his big problem--I hadn't even thought of him in a while.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:09:53 PM EST
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Re: Agreed (none / 0)

When I watch C-Span, I see Bill Nelson as a guy dumb as rocks.  He'd lower the combined IQ between him and Obama, and would be ridiculed as the Democratic Dan Quayle.

Nelson just always gets lucky with his opponents.  He's had to face Bill McCollum, who sanctimoniously lead the impeachment charges against Bill Clinton, and Katherine Harris.  I doubt Nelson could have beaten a guy like Mel Martinez or Connie Mack.


by Brad G on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:24:29 PM EST
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What? Nelson but no Graham? (none / 0)

Bob Graham not even being on the list is a fairly significant oversight, IMHO!

There's no comparison btwn the two, IMHO. Nelson's a waste of time.

If Crist's the GOP'er VP pick, this is a potentially major problem. Also, there's not many southerners on this list, in general. What's that all about? Aside from Edwards--who's already on-record as uninterested--what's there?

I have my doubts about this list being valid. Just seems a bit off-kilter.


by bobswern on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:38:28 PM EST
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Re: What? Nelson but no Graham? (none / 0)

I think the Far RW revolts if its Crist... all the gay rumors won't sit well with them especially since they don't trust McCain.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 07:41:22 PM EST
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Re: Usually. (none / 0)

Rendell has said before he isn't interested.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:52:53 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

Yes.


John McCain is a liar. Erratic, poor judgment.
by Jeter on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:40:36 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

No Bill Richardson?

That is shocking, to me.

And also, why is Edwards on the list, he already said he wouldn't take it.


by Searching For Pericles on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:21:41 PM EST

Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

Doesn't surprise me.  Richardson will definitely get a cabinet post though, or Ambassador to the UN.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:37:02 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

Richardson was always angling for SOS?

Not sure he wants to be VP, a do nothing position,
whereas SOS in an Obama adminstration will be very powerful indeed.

I think Biden also wants SOS, but he may end up with Sec of Defense, as suggested above.

Obama will name the cabinet early enough, IF Richardson is SOS, for Bill R. to do the New West Tour, and shore up the Latino vote.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:27:54 PM EST
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No Wes Clarke??? (2.00 / 1)

No Wes Clarke on the list? What the hell?


by Aris Katsaris on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:23:49 PM EST

Re: No Wes Clarke??? (none / 0)

Yep.  Odd that.  Something tells me this list is either incomplete, or a total decoy...just throwing out something for the MSM (and us) to chew on while Obama's folks work on the real list.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:39:36 PM EST
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Re: No Wes Clarke??? (2.00 / 1)

I agree...this is more like guys at a bar tossing out random names.

But as much as I'm crazy for Clark, I don't think he'll be the pick. It would be too much of an acknowledgment that Obama needs to bolster his military/national security credentials. It'd look like "Obama + Clark = McCain!"

I also think that's a strike against Webb, but at least Webb has the current title of Senator and some legislative experience now.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:05:30 PM EST
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Re: No Wes Clarke??? (2.00 / 1)

Ditto.

Wes is being seriously looked at, this may be a feint to give those really being looked at some space?

You can't leave Wes Clark of the short list.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:28:57 PM EST
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Re: No Wes Clarke??? (none / 0)

I'm starting to think Warner is the best choice... the only problem is his running for the Senate at the same time... Too bad Kaine couldn't step in.  


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:58:12 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

Schweitzer is so obviously superior to most on on that list. I just don't understand why he's getting so little notice.


by DPW on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:24:13 PM EST

He's up for re-election (none / 0)

in 08 and there is no Democratic bench in Montana so that pretty much rules him out. In 2008 it will be a big fight for him. Trying to get re-elected and regain control of the legislature which is closely divided.

Let him stay and do his magic on Montana for awhile. Then in 2016 we can have the best dream ticket you will ever find. Schweitzer/Burner.


"Live your beliefs and you can turn the world around." --Thoreau
by Populista on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:52:56 PM EST
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WTF John Kerry? (none / 0)

?


by NeverNude on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:29:26 PM EST

Re: WTF John Kerry? (none / 0)

That's loyality, he was behind Obama early and strong.

No way it's Kerry.  It's a gesture of respect.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:29:52 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (2.00 / 1)

I can't help shaking my head here...we have people on this list more qualified to be the nominee..

Anyway...Edwards already said no, putting a different woman on the ticket just sends an insulting message (whether intentional or not) Kerry ran for President in the last G/E & I thought everyone said he was a weak candidate (I was the lone voice always saying there is nothing wrong with him).  


by jrsygrl on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:30:48 PM EST

Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

Well, you are from jersey.  I always knew Kerry was a bad idea.


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:33:35 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

You think Obama is a good idea when contrasted to Kerry...I can't even believe this.


by jrsygrl on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:42:32 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

YES... He was clearly the best candidate out there, followed closely by Hillary and Edwards.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:59:32 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

Oh please- John Kerry had more experience in his pinky finger then Obama especially when it comes to foreign & domestic affairs, as WELL AS having affected a major impact on changing this country & affecting the party. Regardless of whether or not Kerry endorsed Obama, I find the idea of even LINKING them in the same comparable category as degrading.  I don't know why the man endorsed him; suffice it to say I'll agree to disagree with him BUT if I were him I'd be insulted by the  comparison.


by jrsygrl on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 07:19:04 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

If experience was the tell tale sign of a Good Presidency, Bush 41 would have been one of the best and Lincoln would have been one of the worst.  There are a myriad of factors.  

I don't give a damn if you find it degrading or not.  Its the cold hard truth.  Obama is a better candidate than anyone in 2008 and is a better candidate than Kerry was or ever could be.  Kerry let the GOP piss all over his war record without a response... that trait alone makes you a bad candidate.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 07:40:06 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

Kerry is a great man and would have been a vast improvement over Bush.

But he was also a shit campaigner who was too slow to react to personal attacks against him. He lost because of how poorly he ran his campaign.

Experience, which Kerry had, is a great thing.

So is sound judgement, the ability to read a crowd, planning ahead and knowing how to campaign in this media-saturated age. Kerry definitely lacked the second and the fourth.

But just keep convincing yourself that Obama has no redeeming qualities whatsoever aside from that (D) by his name. It's not boring or false at all.


Hillary is voting for Obama, so why aren't you?
by BrighidG on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 07:45:34 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

A. Please tell me about all the times the Obama has faced the GOP machine.
B. Now go back in history and think about all the times that Kerry faced the same GOP machine, including back during the end of the Vietnam War. Those same people were worried about his marketability and he won the popular opinion then in the face of major adversity.

Your conclusion that Obama is such a great campaigner is without merit. He hasn't faced the GOP or very much in the way of competition.  Being propped up by his own party hardly demonstrates that someone is a great campaigner.


by jrsygrl on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 09:07:01 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

It's one thing to not like Obama, but now you are just being silly. Obama's win over Clinton has to rank as one of the great upsets of political history. Is it exactly the same as facing the opposing party? No. But it's not an entirely different game either, and Obama has shown amazing skill as a campaigner, just as his team showed incredible planning and discipline. In terms of charisma, I think he can agree that Obama and Kerry are worlds apart.


by animated on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 09:47:51 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

I think Obama had a lot of help from party insiders who didn't want Clinton on the ticket. I think this helped him alot.


by jrsygrl on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 01:14:17 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

One time?

Fine, he faced the GOP (and Democratic) machines in the Illinois legislature in the late 90's when he fought (and won) to make it a law that police confessions be taped.

Any more stupid questions you'd find the answer to if you bothered using Google?


Hillary is voting for Obama, so why aren't you?
by BrighidG on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:02:06 AM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

STUPID questions - funny if I'm so STUPID why did you rate me so positively on a different one of my posts. However if you want to compare a true fight with the GOP you would know  that Clinton has been in the trenches with them in a way Obama could only imagine & will find out in the upcoming election.


by jrsygrl on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 01:15:47 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

LOL!


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:58:56 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

If they were more qualified, they would have won.


Hillary is voting for Obama, so why aren't you?
by BrighidG on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:26:07 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

Not what history would suggest.


by SophieL on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:35:47 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

Qualified / Best for the job.

Qualified = having met the requirements to secure the job. So unless you know of a 25-year old president or someone who wasn't born in America, I'd say you're completely mistaken.


Hillary is voting for Obama, so why aren't you?
by BrighidG on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 07:38:44 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

That should be: Qualified =  /  = Best for the job.


Hillary is voting for Obama, so why aren't you?
by BrighidG on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:05:40 AM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (2.00 / 1)

Right b/c the most qualified candidate ALWAYS wins right?? I mean history shows that right?? @@


by jrsygrl on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:41:23 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

No but it's hard to argue someone is more qualified at a job if they can't even get the job. Running a successful campaign is one part of getting the job of president, since these people could not do that then they failed to prove to the electorate they were the most qualified.

Doesn't mean they'd be bad presidents. I'd take any of them, any day, over that idiot we have now.


Hillary is voting for Obama, so why aren't you?
by BrighidG on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 07:37:08 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

Looks like you made my argument for me!

The guy who got the job in 2000 clearly sucks but by your standards, he was the most "qualified."


by SophieL on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 07:48:28 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

Yeah, he was qualified because he was because he met the constitutional requirements of being president.

And I realize it's hard to prop up your argument without putting words in my mouth, but I never said he was "the most qualified".

So you and your shitty argument can kindly fuck off.

I merely stated that running a shitty campaign is not a great way to prove to the electorate that you're qualified.


Hillary is voting for Obama, so why aren't you?
by BrighidG on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:08:05 AM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

BrighidG...winning hearts and minds every second.

Keep doing what you do best.


by SophieL on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 09:59:45 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

FWIW:

Hillary Clinton: I seriously doubt it, plus I honestly don't think she wants it.  She'll be senate majority leader.

John Kerry:  Huh?

John Edwards: Great choice, but he seems like he'd rather not.  My money's on AG Edwards.

Evan Bayh:  I hope not.  Good enough guy, but his surname should be "Blah".  Boring.

Kathleen Sebelius:  Don't know much about her.  SOTU rebuttal was a complete dud though.

Ted Strickland:  Eh, maybe.  Good choice in terms of strategery, but doesn't offer much else.

Mark Warner:  Great choice.

Tim Kaine:  Same as Strickland.  Good guy.

Jim Webb:  If not VP, a strong choice for Sec. Def.

Bill Nelson:  Trying to snatch FL?  Maybe.  Another strategery choice.

Jack Reed: Senator from RI?  Maybe a little too low profile.

Joe Biden:  Secretary of State Biden.  I can see it a mile away.

Chris Dodd:  Doubt it.

Tom Daschle:  Seriously doubt it.

Sam Nunn:  Political experience and strong credentials on national defense. Sorta risky, given his moderate to conservative history.

James Jones:  Huh?


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:34:18 PM EST

Re: Obama VP List (2.00 / 1)

I agree with your assessment 100%. Warner is the best pick IMO. Kaine was on FNS this week and didn't impress.


by animated on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:40:04 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (2.00 / 1)

Why would you want to lose an Easy senate pick up?  Makes no sense.


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:42:52 PM EST
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You wouldn't (2.00 / 3)

But Jim Gilmore is the GOP nominee and is about as popular in Virgina as Bush is in America.

There is a primary fight underway already for governor of Virgina in 2009. One of the candidates is Brian Moran, little brother of Rep. Jim Moran. Why not have him replace Warner? It might jump out of the top top tier but it would still be up there with Colorado, Alaska and New Hampshire in terms of likely pickups. Besides with Warner on the ticket we would carry Virgina and that would likely push over to the Senate race.


"Live your beliefs and you can turn the world around." --Thoreau
by Populista on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:51:17 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (2.00 / 1)

Quite simply, if Warner is on the ticket and Obama carries VA, then they will win that Senate seat.


by animated on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:57:59 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (2.00 / 1)

If this is a real list, I think many of these names are on there to honor some good guys who really bring nothing to the ticket (Kerry and Dodd stand out).  

Kind of like those votes cast for the Hall of Fame for people who'll never get in, but you want to honor them anyway.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:47:17 PM EST

Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

There is certainly some of that going on.

Where is Anthony Zinni?  He should be on this list.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:56:27 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

Or to entice them to work as hard for Obama as possible, if you're being cynical.


by animated on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:00:04 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (2.00 / 1)

- Hillary Clinton: They're both better off in their respective spheres of influence - let her be Senate Majority Leader.

  • John Kerry:  No.
  • John Edwards: Weak compliment for Obama except for the pull he might have in some southern states.
  • Evan Bayh:  Another weak compliment.
  • Kathleen Sebelius:  Finally, we're talking sense.  Her problem is that outside of Kansas, she's apparently not that well known.  She polls fairly badly on the ticket, and Kansas has no chance of flipping.
  • Ted Strickland:  Best choice yet but needs more experience in the governor's office to provide any strong benefit for Obama.
  • Mark Warner:  Not as beneficial as Strickland in terms of what he can help deliver - Ohio is a better prize than Virginia.  Let him be a Senator.
  • Tim Kaine: Has the same problems and advantages as Warner, but perhaps might be better since he has executive experience as former mayor of Virginia and has won a more recent election than Warner.
  • Jim Webb: It's foolish to put two senators, especially two first-term Senators, together on the same ticket.
  • Bill Nelson:  Unlikely.
  • Jack Reed: Two low profile.
  • Joe Biden:  An interesting albeit older choice - I think he'd politely decline.
  • Chris Dodd: I just don't see it happening.
  • Tom Daschle: It was heart crushing to see Jim Thune beat him, but apparently, Daschle has been particularly keen on South Dakota's political leanings since.  Can't we just let him go?
  • Sam Nunn:  Don't know much about him.
  • James Jones:  Who now?

My Desired Qualifications:

  • Governor (swing states preferred)
  • Experienced
  • More moderate views than Obama

Choice:
- Brian Schweitzer: Popular governor of Montana, bipartisan, appeals to conservative Democrats without that uneasy feeling that someone like Mike Easley has (appeals to Colorado, may assist in Iowa and Nebraska, probably effective in terms of Missouri and Indiana as well)


by ejintx on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:03:47 PM EST

Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

I likw Schweitzer... he is a top choice of mine... but I find it funny because the 3rd on your list is the ONLY qualification he fills.  He has ONLY been governor since 2004 and that was his first elected position (he served as a Clinton appointee).  Montanta isn't really a swing state either.  


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 07:04:29 PM EST
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Re: Obama VP List (none / 0)

His only competition in this particular list is Sebelius, but I've ruled her out accordingly.  In context of this list, he fits the second qualification and Montana has been blue before - with Barr in play, it could be again.


by ejintx on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 08:31:07 PM EST
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This is James Jones, BTW:


by animated on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:06:20 PM EST

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Yup, which bades the question, why he and not Anthony Zinni?

If we want Military Brass on the ticket....


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:31:54 PM EST
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http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?tit le=James_L._Jones

According to this he though Iraq was bad news...


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 07:19:40 PM EST
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Edwards and Strickland have both pulled Shermans - "If nominated I will not run, if elected I will not serve."


The primaries are over!
Focus on McCain
by really not a troll on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:18:29 PM EST

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SOurce for Strickland?


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 07:19:59 PM EST
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So did Teddy Roosevelt...and we know how that turned out... although times were different then.

From The Senate.Gov website...

"Senator Platt was looking for a way to get Governor Roosevelt out of New York. The corporations and large
financial interests of the state were increasingly disturbed by the governor's performance, especially his support of
the franchise tax, and were anxious to return to business as usual. They placed growing pressure on Senator Platt to
do something about his governor. While reluctant to resort to a potentially disastrous fight against Roosevelt's
renomination for governor, the boss saw an opportunity in all the talk about the vice-presidency. If he could push
Roosevelt into that position devoid of power, he would get the young reformer out of the way, appease his financial
supporters, and be free to select a more pliable governor as Roosevelt's replacement. It seemed the perfect solution.26  
The boss proceeded to push Roosevelt's name to party leaders and hinted to the governor that he might not support
him for a second gubernatorial term. This challenge from the machine, however, only raised the fighting spirit in
Roosevelt, who was never one to a retreat from political battle. In February 1900 Roosevelt therefore attempted to
remove himself from the vice-presidential race, telling the New York Tribune that "under no circumstances could I,
or would I, accept the nomination for the vice presidency."27 The boom for his nomination, however, continued,
with friends and foes alike fanning the flames.  

Meanwhile, in Washington, President McKinley remained silent on the issue. The president had never been greatly
impressed by Governor Roosevelt for reasons of both personality and policy. Yet, after Hobart's death, he gave no
indication of preference in the selection of his new running mate. Most Republican leaders believed Roosevelt
would bring a new kind of glamor and excitement to their ticket. The governor was a recent war hero, whose record
in office had been very popular and less radical than some had feared. There were also no other similarly attractive
candidates available.28 McKinley may have been opposed to Roosevelt, but he proposed no alternatives, and his
silence seemed to indicate acceptance.  

By the time the Republican National Convention opened in June in Philadelphia, it had become obvious that
Roosevelt was the favorite to receive the vice-presidential nomination. When he continued to protest that he would
rather be governor of New York, Lodge warned him that, if he attended the convention, his nomination was assured.
But Roosevelt could not stay away, claiming that to do so would look like cowardice.29 As a result, despite his
protestations, his magnetic presence at the convention fired the enthusiasm of his partisans to a fever pitch. When he
appeared for the opening session clad in a black hat reminiscent of the Rough Riders' Cuban campaign--what one
delegate called "an acceptance hat"--his nomination was sealed. Scores of western delegates spent that night
parading and chanting "We want Teddy." As Senator Platt put it, "Roosevelt might as well stand under Niagara Falls
and try to spit water back as to stop his nomination by this convention."

Ohio Senator Mark Hanna, who opposed the Roosevelt nomination, tried to block the movement from his position as convention chairman, but without
support from the president he could do little against the combined forces of Platt, Pennsylvania boss Matthew Quay
(who had an old score to settle with Hanna), and genuine popular will. In desperation, Hanna could only protest,
"Don't you realize that there's only one life between this madman and the White House?"31  

Theodore Roosevelt really did not want to be vice president, but he was a confirmed political realist with
presidential ambitions. He knew that regaining the nomination for governor of New York would be difficult, if not
impossible, against the open opposition of Senator Platt, and even a successful gubernatorial campaign promised
only two years of political struggle against growing corporate hostility. Although Roosevelt continued to fight his
own nomination, his protests grew gradually weaker, until, by the time of the convention, they were no longer
convincing. Everything pointed to the vice-presidency, and Theodore Roosevelt knew how to read the signs. He did
not pursue the office, but when it was thrust upon him, he accepted it. For good or ill, he was now President
McKinley's running mate and he was determined to make the best of it.  "

I love that story.


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 07:34:05 PM EST
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states in the primaries. They should be kicked off that list. I think Ed Rendell should be on the list.I think Wesley Clarke could be a good choice but he may not bring any EV. I think Strickland could really help him with EV.


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:31:36 PM EST

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Wow! Am I really the first one here who gets to post that Hillary is my first choice?

Second choice is Dodd, just to get him out of CT (I live here).


by SophieL on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:38:02 PM EST

Apart from personal preference (none / 0)

Which of these would be the most reassuring to republican or independent crossovers?


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:49:11 PM EST

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Warner.
by parahammer on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:56:00 PM EST
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The odds of a Republican or crossover who voted for Bush actually voting for Obama are pretty much nil...Just shore up the base & try to keep OH & FL although I do see that the 2 statements are contradictory. Hopefully, there will be less voters disenfranchised unlike the last election cycle.  At this point I'd go with a proven fighter like Clinton who has loyal, unwavering following & also has been on a winning team against GOP machine in a G/E before, unlike anyone else on this list.  I wouldn't count on Obama NOT being viewed as a polarizing figure come November. The GOP's job is to ensure the opposite, so I wouldn't be running scared about those who don't like Clinton - rest assured those same people will be just as anti- Obama come November so don't worry about wooing them; just try to secure more realistic votes.


by jrsygrl on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:12:51 PM EST
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You make an interesting point re: the polarization problem. I also think, regardless, it's less of an issue when it comes to the Veep nomination.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 01:32:58 PM EST
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Wouldn't we want to pick the one who would be the most reassuring to Democrats first? Aren't we Democrats?


by SophieL on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:11:39 PM EST
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NO HILLARY - NO VOTE.


by nikkid on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:03:15 PM EST

Now you flipflop (2.00 / 1)

In another diary you stated: "i'm not voting for BO. period."
by parahammer on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:09:08 PM EST
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What if Hillary doesn't want to be VP?


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq for a century.
by jkfp2004 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:11:57 PM EST
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I've already asked (none / 0)

never got an answer.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:21:04 PM EST
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If she doesn't want it, fine. (Sort of...because I want her to want it...)


by SophieL on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:12:41 PM EST
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Go Away McCain Troll... You Slap Hillary in the face and spit on her values with every trollish comment you make.  You are not and never were a real or true Hillary supporter.


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 07:35:27 PM EST
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Warner

Clark

Richardson

Sebelius.

And speaking of Sebelius, would there REALLY be this huge backlash from the Clinton supporters if he chose her?

I'm not a woman, so I admit, I'm probably not the best judge of this, but that seems counterintuative to me?

Hell, why they heck does Senator Clinton want to be VP TWICE, she was virutally that in Bill's years?

If he doesn't pick Clinton, it will NOT be because she is a woman, it will be for so many other reasons.

But, then immediately, all other women are persona non gratis to the Clinton supporters?

Sigh...oh well, this has been a wierd turn of events for a lot of life-long democrats.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:05:53 PM EST

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yep, it would be a really huge backlash UNLESS it is made known that Hillary was asked to be VEEP first and she declined it.


by colebiancardi on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:11:18 PM EST
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Question: If Clinton won the nomination & even though there was a huge outcry to pick Obama as her VP & instead she picked a different AA, wouldn't that be a bit of a blunder from a public relations standpoint? I mean it definitely insinuates that one AA is as good as another (even if for some reason that wasn't the intention).  And Clinton is HIGHLY qualified for the office, Sebelius is NOT going to deliver KS so the only other reason she is picked is to pacify women voters (as though people like myself only vote along gender lines @@). It is just common sense as to why this would offend people.


by jrsygrl on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:16:50 PM EST
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"If Clinton won the nomination & even though there was a huge outcry to pick Obama as her VP & instead she picked a different AA, wouldn't that be a bit of a blunder from a public relations standpoint?"

Perhaps, but I'd get over it. I think there are women as qualified or perhaps more than Hillary to be on the ticket, Sebelius being one of them. That's probably true with African-Americans too.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:22:43 PM EST
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"so the only other reason she is picked is to pacify women voters"

Well, since it is clear it's going to send most of you through the roof, if Obama does it, sort of nullifies that logic?

I think Obama really has chemistry with Sebelius, it has NOTHING TO DO with molifying the woman's vote, in fact, I think you and the rest of the Clinton supporters have stated it will backfire.

If he does it, it's because he want's her on the ticket IMHO.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:22:47 PM EST
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To ignore the implication made is inconsiderate/ignorant, at best. For Obama the VP selection NEEDS to be a very tactical one.  He is not able to run just on his own merits.

And yes there are other AAs that are probably more qualified then Obama; in fact a major argument is that there were other people in this primary more qualified then Obama and that it was quite ridiculous to decide the time was NOW to run, when he could've built up some better experience, showed us what he was about & LEARNED a bit more about how to govern.  The question is, will he pull a Bush Sr. move & find himself a Quayle to make himself look better in contrast? Or will he try to make up for his flaws with a more qualified person as the running mate? I'm praying to God he does the latter - so I can have someone I have faith in working at winning the G/E & in the WH (if we managed to pull this thing out).

And sorry but A) Obama is NOT solely deciding as a loose cannon who to put on his ticket (truthfully my hope is that he is an empty suit at this point). Regardless, he does NOT get total say over who is on his ticket, if he does he is REALLY going to lose since he he would not be recognizing his shortcomings in terms of political campaigning experience. B) If you actually believe that Obama is ONLY picking someone on the merits of their qualifications, well then the naivete expressed by another Obama supporter continues to astound/dismay me.


by jrsygrl on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 07:14:18 PM EST
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"He is not able to run just on his own merits."

I guess, we just disagree about everything, then?


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 07:17:07 PM EST
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I think a lot of Clinton supporters might view any woman other than Clinton as a clumsy attempt to win them back. Just MHO. Personally, I think Sebelius isn't a very good pick for other reasons. Not a lot of experience and not well known nationally. No foreign policy cred. And her response to the SOTU was HORRIBLE.


by Mayor McCheese on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:10:52 PM EST

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I agree, her response was flat as a pancake.

And, I hear that take: its trying to mollify Hillary's female supporters?

My take is, Obama really has a great relationship with Sebelius, certainly that is why she made the list, (Napolitano and McCaskill abscent.)

I would agree, if I had my drothers, I would pick Clark for the Military/Overseas Foreign Policy experience.  

Just don't know how familar or comfortable Obama feels with Wes.

He also seems to really like the Virginia guys, Warner and Kaine.

I think Warner is very strong, smart, business oriented, knows how to speak to value voters.

But, I think Sebelius does as well?

If she is not good, how did a Democrat AND a women win in Kansas for goodness sakes?


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:16:04 PM EST
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I don't think she's no good and I'd have no problem voting for a ticket with her on it. I just don't think she's well qualified for the job yet and doesn't help shore up  any of Obama's weakneses. I dont think she adds any federal government/foreign policy cred. And she's untested on the national stage. She might do more harm with the base by insulting Hillary's female supporters too. I woudn't hesitate to vote for a ticket  with her as VP, but I could see where others might.


by Mayor McCheese on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:34:06 PM EST
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Zinni would strenghten PA but Jones would strengthen MO.  I wonder who would be the better pick.  Zinni would re-enforce the Anti-Iraq War thing, i am not sure where Jones stood on that.

No Clark, Richardson and Schwietzer on the list is a little disapointing, but Warner is, so i like that.  With Edwards on the list, i have to imagine its incomplete or false.  Edwards has said he will not be VP.


by Bobby Obama on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:16:57 PM EST

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He thought it was foolish... sorry the sourced links in this are no longer up.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?tit le=James_L._Jones


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 07:18:02 PM EST
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He DID make these comments while still a General... so it shows he wasn't afraid of Cheney, Bush and the usual gang of idiots.


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 07:18:34 PM EST
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Hey, I think something is strange if you consider James Jones and NOT Wes Clark?

Perhaps Clark is way up there, and they are sending out a false trail, so the hounds of the press don't converge?

Obama has made a false steps, leaving Wes Clark off the short list, unless he has contacted them with a "not interested" is one IMO.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:24:04 PM EST

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All things being equal, I'd choose Tom Harkin of Iowa.  Solid liberal, swing state . . . but he's not on the list.

Things are not equal though.  HRC if she wants it -- I think it should be offered because she is obviously the best choice.  


"If you don't care about everybody, you don't care about anybody." --Ethan Mordden
by prodigal on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 08:08:44 PM EST


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