Argus Leader Endorses Hillary

Congratulations, Hillary!

South Dakota's largest newspaper, the Argus Leader, went on record today in support of Hillary Rodham Clinton for President.

Editorial: Clinton is top candidate for Dems

Excerpts from the endorsement:

(Clinton's) resilience and determination never should be questioned. She has met or overcome every challenge or roadblock in her way, and there have been many. Her determination to carry the nomination process through to its real conclusion has perhaps earned her a grudging respect from those who would never support her.

Obama is justifiably credited as a powerful speaker, but Clinton holds her own easily. As those who have attended her South Dakota rallies can attest, she is quick on her feet and energetic. She frames her ideas clearly in speeches and answers questions with genuine directness.

Clinton is the strongest Democratic candidate for South Dakota.

Her mastery of complex policy detail is broad and deep, and her experience as a senator and former first lady matches that.

Clinton's energy policy is forward thinking and wise. She advocates a broad federal research initiative to help solve our looming oil crisis. It's a plan that would join university researchers, private industry and individual inventors behind a common goal...Is ethanol part of the answer? Clinton believes it is but not necessarily corn ethanol...That is not precisely the answer South Dakota wants to hear. Corn-based ethanol has been a boon for farmers here. But the simple fact is that she probably is correct...

Clinton has demonstrated a real commitment to Native American issues and will have visited several South Dakota reservations before the race is over. Clinton is precisely correct when she says that people outside the region have a poor understanding of the troubling trends on our reservations...

Her truly universal health care plan would be welcomed by thousands of South Dakotans. Even on reservations, where health care is nominally universal already, such a plan would be welcome. The federal government would never be allowed to subject everyday Americans to the kind of care Native Americans living on reservations routinely receive.

(emphasis added)

The endorsement is especially gratifying to Clinton supporters given the extreme overreaction to a reference she made to RFK in the Argus Leader interview -- an incident which was shamefully exploited by Barack Obama's campaign.

And, the Argus Leader endorsement is gratifying in light of furious efforts by party elites to end the nomination process before the convention, even though neither candidate will have enough pledged delegates by then.

Thank you, Argus Leader, for confirming what 18 million people already know:  Hillary Clinton is the best Democrat to be President!



Cross posted at TexasDarlin



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Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (1.81 / 11)

ArgusLeader online also featured a story today entitled Rain Fails to Dampen Huron's Enthusiasm for Clinton (video) of Hillary on the campaign trail in Watertown. (The video could not be embedded here but is worth checking out at the link.)


TexasDarlin blog
by TexasDarlin on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:04:57 AM EST

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 7)

Thanks for posting. Re'ed.


by grlpatriot on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:11:15 AM EST
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Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 2)

vitural rec for ya :)


by zerosumgame on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:55:06 AM EST
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Re: Kudos to Argus! (none / 0)

Yep.  The Republican troll is cheerleading you.

Any chance the real Hillary supporters will join me in condemning this piece of crap?


by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 07:36:50 PM EST
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Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (1.83 / 12)

I just read your latest editorial Texasdarlin, and you seem to be endorsing

1. More smears against Obama and his family
2. Promoting a million dollar reward for some spurious tape on Michelle Obama.

It's not hard to believe that there is a videotape of Michelle Obama on a rant at Trinity United Church (tucc) against "whitey."

This freeper bit of propaganda has been going the round for months. Of course there's no such tape.

As for you, on a democratic site, going after a leading nominee's wife with some vicious 'black racism' allegation - this is bigotry and smear, worthy of a republican

It also gives the lie to your partisan misuse of feminism. You have betrayed any feminist principle

By the way, there is still a million dollar bounty for the "whitey" tape. Spread the word. Larry Johnson at No Quarter has the details

Everybody should read this to show the diarist has no shred of credibility left. Personally, I have no idea why she's tolerated on a progressive blog like this, and why any true feminist would ever rec her diaries


The Moose is Loose!
by duende on Fri May 30, 2008 at 01:44:03 PM EST
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Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (1.25 / 4)

Even if the tape exists, she never ran over anyone with her car like the incumbent First Lady, and even if she's as much of an "elitist"/"not proud of the country/etc" as the smearers say she is, then she's less of a snob than Michelle Obama.

Of course, most voters will NEVER pick this up, just like how Laura Bush had an undeserved MASSIVE popularity advantage over Theresa Heinz-Kerry.


by BlueEngineerInOhio on Fri May 30, 2008 at 02:06:05 PM EST
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Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 5)

Interesting that you need to hide rate me for this, TD. I think it's an abuse of your privileges, but that would be nothing new: you've abusing your privileges on a progressive blog for months. You link consistently to your wordpress site: why on earth would you try to hide someone that quotes your latest  editorial?


The Moose is Loose!
by duende on Fri May 30, 2008 at 03:06:49 PM EST
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Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 3)

I'm sure the folks in SD will have something to say about the Argus endorsement. Their vote!


Obama/Warner 2008
by MissVA on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:07:38 AM EST

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 7)

Once with the picture is enough. Don't troll; go write your own diary.


by grlpatriot on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:10:56 AM EST
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Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (none / 0)

That was her signature, and she removed it.  I think we can get rid of the zeros and ones now, no?


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:59:06 PM EST
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Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (none / 0)

Hillary has a much better shot in South Dakota than Montana.  It's obvious from where she's spending her time.  Plus if you look at the neighboring states' nonbinding primaries, Hillary almost won the Nebraska primary but still lost in Idaho.  Given the lack of attention the Obama campaign is giving the primary, I think Hillary has a good shot of pulling out a win here.  Like almost all of our recent primaries, that will end June 3rd on a split decision.  

Another interesting factoid:

Missouri, the bellwether state... Think about its primary results.  ;-)


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:19:04 PM EST
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Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 6)

I guess they didn't get the assassination memo.

The Keith he is no Edward Murrow foaming out the mouth memo must have worked real well  


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:08:01 AM EST

YES! (1.71 / 14)

Hillary will win this!  She has more votes and more delegates and more endorsements!  Obama is a loser.  GO HILLARY!

PS:  Send money!


by rf7777 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:09:23 AM EST

Re: YES! (2.00 / 1)

Sigh. Why TRed?


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:25:48 AM EST
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Re: YES! (2.00 / 4)

Because the commenter is not a Clinton supporter.


Another Clintonista against John McCain
by psychodrew on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:34:18 AM EST
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Re: YES! (2.00 / 2)

It was kind of funny as far as parody goes.


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:50:59 AM EST
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Re: YES! (2.00 / 2)

It wasn't meant to be funny.


Another Clintonista against John McCain
by psychodrew on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:54:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: YES! (2.00 / 6)

This exchange is so telling:

-Sigh. Why TRed?
-Because the commenter is not a Clinton supporter.

Nuff said.


by Tatan on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:01:35 PM EST
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Re: YES! (2.00 / 2)

Oh pity the troll.


Another Clintonista against John McCain
by psychodrew on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:10:42 PM EST
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Re: YES! (none / 0)

SO!! UPRATED


I'm riding the Low Road Express. Join me at www.lowroadexpress.com
by LtWorf on Fri May 30, 2008 at 02:29:16 PM EST
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Re: YES! (2.00 / 2)

Hm. I have a problem with this line of thinking. Downthread from here, someone with the handle 'LindaSFNM' writes the following: "What a great endorsement.  And those are the exact reasons Hillary will win the nomination and support by Automatic delegates to match the popular vote.  And the reasons she will win the Presidency and do great things for our country." You gave LindaSFNM mojo. I guess this person is a Clinton supporter, according to you. If I wrote the exact same words, and you saw from my comment history that I support Obama, then by your logic here you would TR me. So it seems that if someone uses irony to make their point (and is on record as an Obama supporter) you consider them a troll. On the other hand, I suspect that some of the less reasonable people on this site (and many others, anywhere you can post comments, really) actually are trolls. They stay in character. They thrive off of aggravating people. And it would seem that if a troll were posing as a Clinton supporter, and had consistently said things like "She is our next president!! YAyy!1!1" you would feed this troll mojo despite them being no more sincere than someone else using sarcasm to underscore the obvious facts that Clinton has virtually no chance of winning the nomination at this point, and that a single newspaper endorsement does absolutely nothing to change that.


Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -Voltaire
by kydoc2 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 03:23:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Copypasta is popular in South Dakota (1.53 / 13)

But what is popular in Southern California amongst the BMW and latte set?

White resentment and privilege, apparently:  http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/05 29/guess-im-just-a-racist-whitey

Rec this up gang!  And donate to Hillary - we need to raise money to find Flowbee's secret whitey tape!


by JJE on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:16:48 AM EST

thanks farm (none / 0)

I don't see what campskunk found so bad about SoCal's white pride.


by JJE on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:35:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

keep it up - this stink needs the light of day (2.00 / 2)

That's right.

I am a member of a proud people that has endured so much oppression at the hands of those darker than me, and yet overwhelming odds we fight on.


by emptythreatsfarm on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:50:29 AM EST
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our struggles are truly inspiring (2.00 / 1)


by JJE on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:57:29 AM EST
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Re: our struggles are truly inspiring (2.00 / 2)

Just last week I felt very oppressed by somebody. I'm white, they were white, but still I was oppressed by whitey.



McCain
by Black Anus on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:21:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Copypasta is popular in South Dakota (2.00 / 2)

I wonder why that didn't get cross posted here.


John McCain - That third Bush term you always dreamed of.
by map2 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:07:25 PM EST
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It is quite...mysterious (none / 0)

brings to mind a certain...mystery man.


by JJE on Fri May 30, 2008 at 01:44:03 PM EST
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Great news, TD! (2.00 / 3)

It makes you wonder why she is still getting endorsements when its "over."


Another Clintonista against John McCain
by psychodrew on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:24:09 AM EST

Re: Great news, TD! (1.75 / 4)

The same reason Hillary supporters on this site keep repeating the same talking points over and over and over: Self-delusion, denial, pipe dreams, stomped in the head by a unicorn, Republican in hiding, etc.

Take your pick.


by Rationalisto on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:47:19 AM EST
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Re: Great news, TD! (2.00 / 2)

So the South Dakota Argus Leader is delusional?  Or do you just say that because they think that Hillary is a better candidate, despite the odds.


Another Clintonista against John McCain
by psychodrew on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:53:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Great news, TD! (2.00 / 1)

No, but their other headline about a stolen bicycle was an excellent read.


by interestedbystander on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:19:47 PM EST
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Between this endorsement (2.00 / 1)

and Ricky Martin's ringing accolades, Hillary has regained her momentum.  Go Hillary!


by ReillyDiefenbach on Fri May 30, 2008 at 01:40:06 PM EST
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Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 1)

an incident which was shamefully exploited by Barack Obama's campaign.

Nice bringing this back up...stay classy


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:24:16 AM EST

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 3)

What a great endorsement.  And those are the exact reasons Hillary will win the nomination and support by Automatic delegates to match the popular vote.  And the reasons she will win the Presidency and do great things for our country.


by LindaSFNM on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:26:16 AM EST

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 2)

That's a bit of a stretch, but whatever floats your boat.  Talk to you on Wednesday next week.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:27:09 AM EST
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Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 3)

And those are the exact reasons Hillary will win the nomination and support by Automatic delegates to match the popular vote.

If you truly believe this I would suggest that you go to Intrade to put some money on Clinton. She's selling at about 8.7 to Obama's 91.6 so if she wins the nomination, as you predict, you would make a boatload of money.


by chicagovigilante on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:54:29 AM EST
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Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (1.75 / 12)

TexasDarlin - you do know that it was Clinton that mentioned the word "assassination" when explaining why she is staying in the race? Right?

Not Obama.

When you blame Obama for something Clinton did, you lose the very little respect you had. But it's typical of your style.


Obama 08!
by comingawakening on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:28:49 AM EST

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 4)

Ah yeah, but let's not get drawn in by that obvious bait she included.  She could have left the diary without it and it would have been 100% positive pro-democrat.  THe inclusion was clearly a swipe to get us involved.  Let's just make a note of it, call it what it is, and move on.  


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:30:22 AM EST
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Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 11)

She's not 100% positive pro-Democrat.  From her blog:

No way in hell will Barack Obama ever, EVER, get my vote when the preachers at his church talk like that about my candidate. No. Way. In. Hell. How dare you call ME racist when YOU, Barack, go to this vile place to worship.

(By the way, there is still a million dollar bounty for the "whitey" tape. Spread the word. Larry Johnson at No Quarter has the details.)

I feel silly for having engaged in rational discussion with this poster before.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:32:59 AM EST
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Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 5)

I feel silly for having engaged in rational discussion with this poster before.

I know, I feel the same way.  It sucks to get played by a troll.


What is The October Protocol?
by Koan on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:40:55 AM EST
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Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 1)

I feel silly for having engaged in rational discussion with this poster before.

But you don't feel silly for stalking her?


Another Clintonista against John McCain
by psychodrew on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:42:43 AM EST
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Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 4)

I don't feel silly. I think she's hilarious. Whenever my disdain for Clinton begins to waiver, all I have to do is read a diary from one of her supporters. The lack of reason, evidence, and sense always pull me back to reality. And they make me laugh.

Go, TexasDarlin! There's more stuff to cut and past! There's more examples to be cherry picked! And there's always more sand to bury your head in!

Go!


by Rationalisto on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:50:22 AM EST
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Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 1)

Chasing people across the internet is creepy.


Another Clintonista against John McCain
by psychodrew on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:55:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 4)

Come on, pyschodrew, it's not stalking and it's not creepy.  This is a forum of public discourse, and TD's diaries are regularly on the recommended list.  She advertises for her blog in the diaries, inviting people to come check it out.  She has guest-posted at both No Quarter and Taylor Marsh, both of which are public and well-known sites.

Some people choose to put their Internet personas into wide view.  I think it's perfectly appropriate to follow the links and read her other stuff--it's what I do on most blogs, and what makes blogging so effective.  I hope you'll come check out my (new!) blog, shamelessly advertised in my sig line.  And if you find anything like the racially-tinged screeds I've read by TexasDarlin, feel free to doubt the acumen and good faith of my future comments.


What is The October Protocol?
by Koan on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:06:29 PM EST
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Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (none / 0)

Since you invited me, I will check out your blog.  I won't be able to comment, though.  I live in China and blogspot is firewalled.  I can punch through to read, but I can't log in to make comments.

Chasing TD over the internet, cross-posting lines from her diaries strikes me as creepy.  Both campaigns having changed their tones over the last few weeks and I don't see why bloggers should be called out for doing the same.


Another Clintonista against John McCain
by psychodrew on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:15:30 PM EST
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Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 3)

There's a link.  Right on her post.  One clicks the link PROVIDED in the post, and sees that.

That's not "creepy", that's "knowing who you're talking to".  Give me a break.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:25:08 PM EST
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Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 1)

Cross-posting old work onto a new diary is creepy.  Both the Obama and Clinton campaigns are trying to set a more positive tone right now.  This is a positive diary.  If you have a beef with something she wrote someplace else some time in the past, take it there.


Another Clintonista against John McCain
by psychodrew on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:43:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 2)

Yeah- fuck that, no it isn't.  There's a link her in blog, and that "old" work is from yesterday.  So recent I don't have to scroll down to read it.

So yes, this "positive" diary has underpinnings, and it's not creepy to point them out.  The writings on the blog linked are simply racist and creepy themselves.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:50:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Full disclosure isn't creepy (none / 0)

but this internet Sir Galahad act is silly.  If SoCal doesn't like it, let her say so.  I don't think she needs you sticking up for her.


by JJE on Fri May 30, 2008 at 01:47:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (none / 0)

Thanks, hope you like it.


What is The October Protocol?
by Koan on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:25:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 3)

She has a link to her blog in every diary.  It's not our fault her content is reprehensible.  You call that chasing people across the internet?


John McCain - That third Bush term you always dreamed of.
by map2 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:11:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (none / 0)

Are you defending her comments?


by interestedbystander on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:22:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And your comment is a perfect illustration (none / 0)

of how the Obama camp DID shamelessly exploit Hillary's remarks for political gain:

...it was Clinton that mentioned the word "assassination" when explaining why she is staying in the race...

Such an innocuous little comment just dripping with innuendo. You cleverly and deliberately twist it, just enough to lead us to think that Hillary mentioned the word "assassanation" as a "reason" for staying in the race. And yet you know, and everyone here knows, that that wasn't the case at all. This is an example of why Hillary supporters are so dismayed with the Obama campaign and a lot of his supporters.


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Fri May 30, 2008 at 01:02:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: And your comment is a perfect illustration (2.00 / 1)

That wasn't the case? I'm pretty sure she was asked about why she was staying in the race and she said because her husband didn't wrap up the nomination till june (although it was realistically wrapped up in April)and because RFK was assisinated in June. Did I twist any facts there?


by Djo Dos on Fri May 30, 2008 at 02:11:52 PM EST
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Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 7)

Notice that the paper was able to endorse Hillary on the merits of her capabilities and to give Obama credit for his campaigning capabilities - and to make a case for one candidate without totally denigrating and dismissing the other?


by pan230oh on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:29:58 AM EST

great point (2.00 / 1)

But somehow shocking!  Someone should teach all of us how to do that ;-)

Go Hillary! I like Obama more, but if she somehow pulls this out without alienating Obama's supporters to an even greater extent than some Clinton supporters feel alienated by Obama, then she is the greatest electoral mind in history.

*No snark, no offense intended (least of all to Hillary...even you diehards have to admit it would still be a pretty big upset at this point).


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:41:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 2)

There is already a diary for this.


by Bobby Obama on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:32:01 AM EST

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 4)

I wonder if this is the game changer the campaign has been waiting for?

It may, however, appear that the party is getting behind Obama.  A recent poll suggests as much (at least in California):

California Field Poll


I will wear my heart upon my sleeve For daws to peck at
by Iago on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:33:44 AM EST

Whoa...echo diary! (2.00 / 1)

You two need to play rock paper scissors--loser deletes their diary.  No fair hogging two spots on the rec list.


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:35:53 AM EST

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 2)

Does the endorsement of a local newspaper really merit its own diary?  Or two?  Or...?


The future is unwritten
by Strummerson on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:37:39 AM EST

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 1)

Does the endorsement of a local newspaper really merit its own diary?  Or two?  Or...?


The future is unwritten
by Strummerson on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:38:12 AM EST

So? (1.33 / 3)

Serious Question.


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:43:40 AM EST

Waiting for the other pastor (none / 0)

Obama probably has his "distance" piece for the press already at the printers:

Remember, as we approach the convention, there's a third adviser that Senator Obama went to.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/falsani/726 619,obamafalsani040504.article

Another person Obama says he seeks out for spiritual counsel is state Sen. James Meeks, who is also the pastor of Chicago's Salem Baptist Church. The day after Obama won the primary in March, he stopped by Salem for Wednesday-night Bible study.
"I know that he's a person of prayer," Meeks says. "The night after the election, he was the hottest thing going from Galesburg to Rockford. He did all the TV shows, and all the morning news, but his last stop at night was for church. He came by to say thank you, and he came by for prayer."

Here's a video of Meeks:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM2M11BsA 3g

Here's the fallout in the Chicago press:

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/James. Meeks.Mayor.2.330967.html

Does anyone imagine the GOP would not use this against Obama in the fall?

Imagine 3 snippets of all three spiritual advisers in one campaign ad.


by katmandu1 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:46:48 AM EST

bladder control (2.00 / 2)

Psst..

Just a  friendly tip.

The GOP?

We're not scared of them anymore.


by emptythreatsfarm on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:52:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: bladder control (2.00 / 1)

we should be.  Democrats should NOT be arrogant and cocky.

Republicans have pulled more tricks out of their behinds more times than I like to remember.

We need to be strong with our support for our democratic nominee, but we should never think that the GOP will be nice & friendly.

they are a scary bunch.


by colebiancardi on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:43:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

difference (2.00 / 1)

I agree that the Democrats cannot afford to act with hubris or arrogance.  I am expecting a hotly contest race this fall.

What I'm trying to say is that sometimes I think our party gets paralyzed with constant worry about not giving the Republican attack machine fodder to attack us.

If the party us spending its resources focused overwhelmingly on defense, sometimes the offense suffers.  We need to put forth an honest and bold agenda without as much triangulations as we've utilized in the past.

Just my two cents.


by emptythreatsfarm on Fri May 30, 2008 at 01:00:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What bugs me... (2.00 / 2)

...every time someone here brings up the "the GOP is just dying to use this against Obama in the general" idea, is that it's being used, implicitly or sometimes explicitly, to say "that's why we should pick Clinton!" "Obama is damaged goods!" You're acting like these stories are real problems. You're feeding into the Republican smear machine. We DO NOT need to avoid running a candidate that the Republicans will try to swiftboat. They will try to swiftboat ANYONE WE RUN. We need to FIGHT BACK against the swiftboating tactic. By invoking  serious concern about Obama's pastor problems people are just arguing to let the Republicans choose our candidate for us. Think about it. Do you really want to shy away from everyone you can imagine a Republican below-the-belt attack ad against? We'd end up with friggin Lieberman.

Of course, I strongly suspect that for some of the people using this type of argument, it's not about avoiding anyone the Republicans can swiftboat, it's really about attacking Obama in any way possible for the crime of beating Clinton in the Democratic primaries.


Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -Voltaire
by kydoc2 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 03:36:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 3)

It's astounding that a diary about a endorsement by a local newspaper could warrant being 'Recd' to recommended diary.
Even more so when that diary, has only 30 comments.
Obama/Warner 2008
by MissVA on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:48:08 AM EST

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (none / 0)

Are you posting this same pic over and over....or is it your sig?

If you are posting it over and over in the same thread...it is, indeed, spam. If it is your sig...well, then it is just annoying (though, if I am not mistaken, not tr/hr worthy).

(I don't even know if you can make a picture your sig....)


by Kysen on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:54:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 2)

It's my signature. Do you want me to drop it. Tell me if it's annoying.


Obama/Warner 2008
by MissVA on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:59:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 1)

Personally, I don't mind it....however, it is understandable why some would.

I would remove it. Mainly because it does look like you are spamming threads with the picture (and, you are getting tr/hr attention).

I don't think that it is proper to tr/hr due to your sig (which, in and of itself, is by no means offensive)....but, I think that as long as you keep your sig as such folks will mistake for spam and tr/hr ya.


by Kysen on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:02:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 3)

I have dropped the picture. Sorry for being annoying.


Obama/Warner 2008
by MissVA on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:29:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 1)

The Argus Leader, unlike the rest of the liberal media, got it right this time! How can we nominate a Mystery Man like Obama??

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/04 29/mystery-man-obama


by authority song on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:49:11 AM EST

Its simple... (2.00 / 3)

...because he won.


by Silence Do Good on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:11:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Congratulations Hillary supporters (none / 0)

on this endorsement.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:04:45 PM EST

This list looks strangely familiar... (1.33 / 3)

DaveOinSF
Pacific John
Caldonia
TxKat
souvarine
bluemoon
Sieglinde
LindaSFNM
Sandy1938
Zeitgeist9000
masslib1
1986dude
Radiowalla
NewHampster
psychodrew
anna shane
grlpatriot
PlainWords
inFlorida
environmentally blue
katmandu1
PGraber
pan230oh
CoyoteCreek
thebluenote

Hmmmm, I wonder why the same few people always REC they same few diaries?

They call them Dead Enders, thats why.


by Silence Do Good on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:14:42 PM EST

Argus Leader Endorsed BUSH in 2004! (2.00 / 2)

Not 2000 when they didn't know any better.

2004, after blitzkrieg.

Schmucks!

and dead enders!


by Silence Do Good on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:31:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Argus Leader Endorsed BUSH in 2004! (none / 0)

Great find there. Kind of takes the shine off this, but maybe also shows that this country is headed in the right direction after all.


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Fri May 30, 2008 at 02:59:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 3)

It's ok to dream. Nothing wrong with that.

Next week, however, you will be in for a very quick awakening and hopefully, you and others who currently view things the way you do will come back to reality and choose the right path.

Because...

It's no longer about egos.  It's about our soldiers. It's about our economy. It's about the Supreme Court and Roe v Wade. It's about our healthcare system. It's about our children.

It's A LOT MORE than ourselves and our personal egos, ambitions and candidates.

So I am hopeful that our selfishness will be set aside and we can move forward united to a brighter future for us and our children.

It's all about Nov and making sure Washington turns blue.


by mukloidy on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:25:07 PM EST

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 2)

Argus Leader circulation - 48,466.


McCain = Iraq. John McCain = overturn Roe.
by PantsB on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:25:16 PM EST

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 2)

Stupid media, so biased against Hillary...oh, whoops, misread the title.  :)


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:29:24 PM EST

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 1)

Good for her.  Unfortunately, newspaper endorsements seem to count for very little, and oddly, at least this election cycle, it seems like newspaper endorsements have often run counter to the sentiment of the people in a particular state.  Thus, I think Obama got a lot of newspaper endorsements in Pennsylvania and in Kentucky, for example, but they didn't really help very much, if it all.  They just don't seem to do much in swaying the opinion of voters.  


by ProfessorReo on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:37:24 PM EST

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (none / 0)

Except in rare circumstances, I don't think endorsements matter much from anyone. Kennedy and Kerry didn't help Obama in MA. Easley didn't help Hillary in NC.


by Mayor McCheese on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:50:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Woohoo!!! (2.00 / 2)

Keep those endorsements coming---Go Hill!!!


by izarradar on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:46:13 PM EST

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (none / 0)

I agree with Argus!  Hillary is the best Democratic presidential candidate! She has the experience, knowledge and drive to fix our economy, bring troops home and strengthen America's standing in the world.


by Nancy Kallitechnis on Fri May 30, 2008 at 01:49:30 PM EST

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (2.00 / 1)

As the Argus Leader of Southern Dakota goes, so goes the nation.

Congratulations on this achievement, HRC.


by NeverNude on Fri May 30, 2008 at 02:10:47 PM EST

Re: Is this snark? (none / 0)

Jerome made it very clear that HRing and TRing comments such as these is worthy of losing your rate/rec privileges.


by Djo Dos on Fri May 30, 2008 at 02:15:30 PM EST

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (none / 0)


I'm riding the Low Road Express. Join me at www.lowroadexpress.com
by LtWorf on Fri May 30, 2008 at 02:38:01 PM EST

Spam diary. (none / 0)


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Fri May 30, 2008 at 02:40:56 PM EST

The Endorsement (none / 0)

It's unfortunate for Hillary that this endorsement is probably only meaningful for the demographic that she already does well in- the over 65 crowd.

There are several here that were criticizing Obama for not effectively engaging a constituency that has a natural dislike of him, namely Appalachian whites. I think that Hillary needs to do the same thing here with Western or Empty Quarter whites. The Clinton brand is so tarnished out there that they are going to vote for a black Chicago Democrat over a Midwestern/Southern/Northeastern white woman.

If Hillary can't win here why should anyone be so concerned that Obama can't win Appalachia?


by wengler on Fri May 30, 2008 at 03:17:47 PM EST

TexasDarlin is a Troll (2.00 / 5)

Here is the proof...

"By the way, there is still a million dollar bounty for the "whitey" tape. Spread the word. Larry Johnson at No Quarter has the details"

This was in an earlier diary from her, that has since been deleted(hopefully by Jerome)

Is this a Democratic blog?

Or is this Redstate.com?

She should be banned, but instead she is on the recommended list???

And its the same dead-enders recommending this crap every time.

Enough already.

The Argus Leader endorsed Bush in 2004.
I'm sure TexasDarlin did too.

Good riddance.


by Silence Do Good on Fri May 30, 2008 at 03:51:44 PM EST

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (none / 0)

Wait, I thought he already won.  What the...??

***A


by adrienne4dean on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:01:44 PM EST

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (none / 0)

The Following Users Have Recommended This Diary:

DaveOinSF
Pacific John
adrienne4dean
Caldonia
redwagon
TxKat
souvarine
alegre
bluemoon
Sieglinde
The Smoldering Crone
superetendar
LindaSFNM
Sandy1938
RJEvans
Zeitgeist9000
LakersFan
masslib1
izarradar
1986dude
Radiowalla
NewHampster
psychodrew
anna shane
Scan
grlpatriot
rossinatl
PlainWords
toddy
Jacob Freeze
IndyRobin
Molee
Check077
Rumarhazzit
alamedadem
inFlorida
nikkid
mcctx
environmentally blue
DemAC
roseeriter
katmandu1
tornsneaker
wdAUS
PGraber
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Mags
pan230oh
CoyoteCreek
Ignored and Disgusted
thebluenote
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dogking

***A
I AM SPARTACUS!
I AM HILLARY!


by adrienne4dean on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:04:35 PM EST

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (none / 0)

Hey..
to all the women..
you have a problem with this woman
and what she says about fear?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqCYFpUAJ 2Q


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Fri May 30, 2008 at 06:33:27 PM EST

The tide has turned! (1.50 / 2)

The opinion of the Argus Leader is HUGE!

Especially coming fast on the heels of Ricky Martin!

This MUST BE the tipping point!

Of course, you lost me at "shameless exploitation" but never mind.

And where did you get the 18 MILLION PEOPLE number?

Doesn't matter though.

WHATEVER you POST is VITAL and will, no doubt, continue to be RECOMMENDED.


by cultural worker on Fri May 30, 2008 at 06:36:37 PM EST

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (none / 0)

"18 million people already know:"

please give a source for this support..


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Fri May 30, 2008 at 07:49:14 PM EST

Re: Argus Leader Endorses Hillary (none / 0)

Ya know....
as you have already admitted being from SoCal..
why use the tex thing...
Why do you hate CA?
"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Fri May 30, 2008 at 07:51:12 PM EST


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